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Forum thread for ter_shibboleth

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Seems like many people have problems getting this running. You’d need the latest build of Quakespasm which you can grab here:

Unpack the archive to /Quake/shib, then create an autoexec.cfg inside /shib with the following commands:
sv_protocol 999
gl_farclip 256000
map shib1

Then run quakespasm.exe -game shib, either thru a shortcut or a BAT file.

First of all, this map pack is VERY stingy on ammo. I had to resort to axing and triggering enemy infighting quite a few times. Surprisingly, medkits are a plenty, but this doesn’t mean much if you haven’t got any ammo to fight with.

Maps are huge, the largest made for Quake yet, but I have to admit they’re too big for their own good. Quake’s movement speed, weapon range etc just doesn’t work well in such Build games like environment. Ultimately you’ll be running around trying to shotgun 50 ogres and this is just not my idea of fun.

The Rocket Launcher would’ve helped a LOT (think Shadow Warrior which also had very large open levels but let you use powerful explosives indiscriminately so that you can quickly dispose of enemies), but it’s surprisingly nowhere to be found.

From an artistic point of view the maps are somewhat interesting as they try to tackle different settings such as East Asian, Western etc. But the brushwork and textures are pretty crude. Not to mention that the lack of fog and skyboxes makes the outside areas seem almost overbright.

Ultimately, Ter Shibboleth is only interesting from a technical point of view, like “how big can you make Quake maps be”. But from the gameplay perspective it’s a chore where you crawl over huge open areas, get stuck in brushwork, all the while thinking if you can survive your next encounter with 20 shells and 50 nails.

So I was swimming across the Golden Gate, ready to explore Fort Point, quite sure there’s a neat secret somewhere behind it, even if it’s just a decoration. I was rather excited. There wasn’t anything quite like this in Quake before.

Then I hit an invisible wall. Gee, thanks.

I mean, it’s definitely a step forward from all the Quake maps where the watery horizon is being cut-off after, like, maybe two meters, exposing the sky. But still, all that space, and so little opportunity compared to it.

Didn’t have any ammo problems in the first map on normal. Aside from the time when I took an elevator to where one of the exit keycards is located, and bumped into a vore and a shambler with approximately nothing. The elevator didn’t work anymore, so I panicked, found a balcony and threw myself off it, which lead to a long acrobatic journey in search for supplies. I like this kind of stuff.

Dwere: It was impossible to go beyond where you hit the wall because those areas exceed the space limit of 8192^3 units of Quake.

If you want maps that make fuller use of the space available, I recommend Warp Spasm.

But the game draws stuff beyond that point just fine. Moreso, I can noclip there and walk around.

Anyway, I wanted to praise surprisingly good frame rates, but then I reached the third map. I disabled vis for shits and giggles, and it didn’t make the performance worse. I still dragged myself to the end of the map hoping that the next one is gonna be faster, but no such luck.

What I’ve seen so far is very impressive, if somewhat crude at times. Ammo balance is still fine. At some point I had more cells that I knew what to do with, but that ended as soon as the lags started.

Yes, maps 3, 4, 5 are not VISed, since they will supposedly take 100+ MB VISed. So you will suffer a pretty big performance hit. Funnily enough, if I turn scr_showfps on it still shows 60 FPS, even though my mouselook is dropping frames.

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Unregistered user “Vasya shkolnik” posted:

Nice maps! Some maps are scary, some are epic. I wanna mappack with big-big-world with separated islands, where we see every island from every as in sun.map

Unregistered user “Hexcalk” posted:

It seemed irritating to me that “Sun” just kept on screaming “Hexcalk” since I released a Japanese/Asian-themed level before Ter Shibboleth was finished. It’s better than mine, you know. However, one thing to note here is that shib3 was actually developed before I created hc1. To think “Sun” was influenced by hc1 is an exaggeration, and if any then hc1 barely helped the completion of shib3 circa 2017.

This mappack by ORL is admittedly better than my maps, so I would be a better Quake-related person if I spent more time commenting on others’ maps themselves than my own works. Nowadays I comment in small amounts on Func_Msgboard so that I calm down.

Unregistered user “Dom” posted:

It seems like a successful experiment in advanced scales. A new sight of the void that is not hidden in the fog or darkness. And, no doubt, shib2 and shib5 looks like completely finished and yummy!

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What the hell is with some of the severely low ratings here???

Yeah map 1 not that fun beyond the novelty (although the nonlinearity and hopping on rooftops is cool), and even map 3 is only pretty good aside from the theme and huge scenery. But maps 2, 4, and 5 are just jaw-dropping. 2 has the awesome teleport puzzle room, 4 is just a great new take on an old Quake theme with consistently surprising constructions and gimmicks, and map 5 fully delivered on the promise and concept of the first map.

Sure the unvised maps may tank your framerate but I found it to be worth it. As for them being too large to navigate quickly, well all I’ll say is these maps finally learned me how to bunnyhop.

Between this and Cataractnacon ORL is a true visionary in my opinion.

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The regular release of Quakespasm can now run this, as of version 0.93.0. Changed the map description accordingly.

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I thoroughly enjoyed Needlehorn (shib1), which takes place in a resort hotel on an island near a Golden Gate-like bridge. At first I thought exploring lots of similar corridors and rooms would become confusing, but in fact the layout is well thought through and I always had a good sense of where I was. Ammo didn’t seem particularly low to me (contra Greed’s comment), but I tend to play in an ammo-efficient sniping style anyway. There is a big, beautiful secret near the end which gives access to the hotel roof. There is a ton of ammo there, so you can stock up for the subsequent levels; also, a lot of monsters only appear if you reach this area.

Looking forward to the next level.