# ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c **URL:** \ **Category:** Files\ **Created:** [July 25, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058 "2013-07-25T15:23:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cocerello](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/cocerello/32/1113_2.png) [@Cocerello](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Cocerello)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/21 "2013-07-25T15:23:53Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![dBAudio](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/dbaudio/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@dBAudio](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/dBAudio)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/22 "2013-10-03T23:28:31Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![sock](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/sock/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@sock](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/sock)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 11:33am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/23 "2013-10-05T11:33:49Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![MikeTaylor](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/miketaylor/32/70_2.png) [@MikeTaylor](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/MikeTaylor)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/24 "2013-11-26T10:11:53Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![MikeTaylor](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/miketaylor/32/70_2.png) [@MikeTaylor](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/MikeTaylor)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/25 "2013-11-26T10:13:31Z")
A sensational mapping achievement, which I wouldn’t have thought its author would ever be able to surpass … then along came the Marcher Fortress, which is even better. Still, this is a very sold five: if we were marking in percentages, it would be up in the mid-to-high nineties. ---
**Author:** ![Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/icantthinkofanickname/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Icantthinkofanickname)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 12:44pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/26 "2013-11-26T12:44:45Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/icantthinkofanickname/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Icantthinkofanickname)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 12:44pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/27 "2013-11-26T12:44:50Z")
The architecture is brilliant, and were that the only relevant element, I could easily give this a 5. But sadly, like AAS above, I also found the gameplay boring (it felt very much like “kill all monsters in room 1, move to room 2, kill all monsters, move to room 3”, etc.). One could argue that that is essentially what one does in every FPS, but here it felt particularly stilted and artificial. There were some nice moments, though, like the sacrifice to the gods and the fiend trap, but not enough to redeem the entire experience. In addition to that, some of the monsters felt very out of place, in particular the re-purposed Quake 2 enforcer (along with Quake 2’s radioactive barrels – in a medieval fort?), but also the base enemies in general. The large blue-ish monsters looked very amateurish in comparison to the beautiful setting. Overall, as lovely as the architecture is, everything else just seems rather rough and unfinished – like a partially successful trial run before the masterpiece that is The Marcher Fortress. ---
**Author:** ![MikeTaylor](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/miketaylor/32/70_2.png) [@MikeTaylor](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/MikeTaylor)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/28 "2013-11-26T20:51:39Z")
I can see how you might downgrade it from 5 to 4 for those reasons, but – really, 3? 60%? Half way up the 1-5 scale? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/icantthinkofanickname/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Icantthinkofanickname)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/29 "2013-11-26T22:38:53Z")
MikeTaylor: Thank you for responding to my comment. Perhaps you are right; I can certainly see why you thought a 3 is too harsh. For what it’s worth, I was wavering between a 3 and a 4. I would not necessarily consider a 3 the equivalent of 60%, though – the downside of a 1 to 5 scale is that one cannot be as precise as with percentages. I appreciate your passion for this map and I do think that the author is immensely talented; this just does not strike me as a well-rounded work when considered as a map to play through (as opposed to a virtual setting to admire). Fortunately, too, my rating is just one among many and won’t change the fact that many others, like you, regard this map very highly. ---
**Author:** ![Cocerello](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/cocerello/32/1113_2.png) [@Cocerello](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Cocerello)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 11:50am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/30 "2013-12-16T11:50:41Z")
Take into account that the rating in this website isn’t done like that, with percentages. Check the ‘‘Help\>Map Terminology’’ section, and go to the bottom of it. Then you will understand the ratings that are given to the maps. ---
**Author:** ![Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/icantthinkofanickname/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@Icantthinkofanickname](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Icantthinkofanickname)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 1:00pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/31 "2013-12-16T13:00:15Z")
Cocerello, I assume your comment is in response to MikeTaylor’s comment. I have always kept the descriptions in the Map Terminology section in mind when rating maps (plus subjective enjoyment, which I believe plays a significant role in user ratings as well, as opposed to editor’s ratings). Even then, though, it is very hard to be precise with just five possibilities, and one person’s 4 might be another’s 3. By the way, Cocerello, I have read quite a few of your comments on this site, and I usually find them very insightful and well-argued (even when I do not necessarily agree). Thank you for that. ---
**Author:** ![onetruepurple](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/onetruepurple/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@onetruepurple](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/onetruepurple)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/32 "2013-12-16T15:59:12Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/uploads/default/original/1X/c0c0bb182addcd578ccf8bf5c3026d00793e6100.png) [@system](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 1:22pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/33 "2014-02-10T13:22:32Z")
Unregistered user “ **Kawen** ” posted: Ha! Close to 2 years from my question and no answer! ☹ An now i cannot also remind 4th secret… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mfx](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/mfx/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@mfx](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/mfx)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/34 "2014-05-02T22:31:52Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![Allister](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/allister/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@Allister](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Allister)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/35 "2014-08-30T00:46:24Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![Allister](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/allister/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@Allister](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/Allister)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/36 "2014-08-30T00:47:01Z")
Cool map, new red eye monster scared the hell out of me first encounter! ---
**Author:** ![ericw](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/letter_avatar/ericw/32/5_e30499b05c07943df9b13d07c8c32459.png) [@ericw](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/ericw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 7:48am UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/37 "2014-12-31T07:48:18Z")
[User added a rating.] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/uploads/default/original/1X/c0c0bb182addcd578ccf8bf5c3026d00793e6100.png) [@system](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/38 "2015-02-16T18:16:07Z")
Unregistered user “ **Paolo** ” posted: Very nice map, I found quite interesting the mix between modern-like enemies like soldiers and medieval ones. The only complain I got is I do not like the minotaurs enemies. ---
**Author:** ![FacilisDK](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/facilisdk/32/32_2.png) [@FacilisDK](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/FacilisDK)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/39 "2015-06-30T21:11:37Z")
Am I the only one who thinks that these Quake 3 textures looks better in Quake? They seem a lot more crisp. This map looks beautiful and the hordes… well thank god for Save / Load 😃 What a masterpiece! ---
**Author:** ![FacilisDK](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/user_avatar/discuss.quaddicted.com/facilisdk/32/32_2.png) [@FacilisDK](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/u/FacilisDK)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058/40 "2015-06-30T21:11:46Z")
[User added a rating.] [Previous page](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058.md?page=1) [Next page](https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/ba1865cb8401ff0bfbec2933ec981dfc3c3090747b6d03a1daabb368afddd98c/6058.md?page=3)