This was the first Quake map( yeah, multi-pack I know ) I have never finished. Why? Because it was the dullest, most pointless, poorly constructed map I’ve ever played. A huge mess of set pieces joined together by long hallway after hallway, with over-used ambush spawning behind you every 2 minutes. It’s so bad, in the second map I ended up wandering aimlessly until I resorted to noclip just to figure out where I was. I was still lost, and stumbled on some monsters, then tried back-tracking to a good spot to start from again. I finally gave up.
As others said, this could have been a half-decent map if it was about 1/4 the size, and had some kind of coherence to it. Sorry to be so harsh, I’m sure the author spent a lot of time, but that’s the point. This map is a terrible waste of the player’s time.
ShakeNquake completely misses the point of Warpspasm. For me, it is the War & Peace of Quake maps, and a phenomenal mapping achievement by ijed (kudos). It is not for the casual gamer.
What makes the map so great are the points in it at which you exhaustedly stop and think, fuck, I’m never getting out of here–I’m so totally lost and confused. To me, THAT’S THE POINT OF THE MAP–it is a full-on war of attrition. To say the map is the worst piece of crap ever is just plain stupid. ShakeNquake, stick to the shallow end of the pool.
Luna’s Loyal Subject makes a great point about wishing he could play it again for the first time. That is so totally true.
Bottom line, ijed is awesome. This map should be in everyone’s collection, well maybe not everyone. . . ; )
bcbc2, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Calling someone stupid or making snide comments doesn’t reflect well on your own level of maturity or intelligence.
To respond, to the worthy parts of your comment, I’m all for a challenging map. Look at Troyn’s latest ( heel, any of his maps ) as an example. Excellent design and flow, lots of areas to get lost in, but not feeling like a bad movie on repeat. Or Honey, or The Anomaly 2: Water, or… there are just so many superior maps to warpspasm’s complete lack of interesting play. Again, I’ll state my main problem. Nice set pieces, but with endless, dull slogging between them, with no coherence or relationship of those set pieces. It was boring, not fun to solve the map, and just not worth the player’s time when there are so many great alternatives.
The author has talent, they just need to tell a better story
ShakeNquake - I didn’t call you stupid, I called your comments stupid. Most boring, pointless, worst-designed map EVER? Really?? That’s just, well, . . . ; )
Anyhoo, I do get what you are saying, but I LIKE the rare map that is a pure war of wills. And ijed throws down a helluva challenge.
Sounds crazy, but I would have liked the map to be even longer and more complex! Perhaps it’s akin to the mega-crossword puzzle that’s as big as a coffee table top, or the 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle. Neither of those are my cup of tea, but it’s the challenge, not the game itself perhaps.
i thought this pack was great. this mod is worth ANY player’s time, at least to try. no, it’s not everyone’s cup o’ tea. if the player doesn’t like it, move on! i think if the original quake was smushed together into five maps it may be similar to warpspasm. anyone want to take that on? anyway, i’m excited to see your next epic adventure!
ijed, do what you do. everyone doesn’t like everything.
not for me. i found it really boring and tedious. this pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of quoth for me. it really serves to highlight for me that the whole mentality behind quoth and so many of the releases that use it, is that some people think a good way to increase challenge is to throw enemies with huge hp reserves at you, and to be stingy with ammo placements on the map. dude, no. that is boring as hell. i play quake because i have a short attention span, and this just ruins it for me. don’t make enemies harder to kill, make me easier to kill!
this set doesn’t suffer too much from the stingy ammo thing, but still, just sayin… eff quoth. unless you are gonna spawn me with a rl and give me plenty of rockets the whole time, just say no to quoth.
anyway, i’m excited to see your next epic adventure!